School and the U.S. Constitution

[BobManPerson]

After reading the U.S. Constitution again, I have found a number of freedoms that school seems to deny.
1. Freedom of the press. I'm not sure about the rest of you, but at my school, we're not allowed to add anything "anti-school" to the school newspaper. Nor anything that is deemed "undesirable".
2. Freedom of speech. I've seen people get punished too often for swearing, or saying anything "anti-school".
3. Right to a fair trial. Again, I've seen too many innocent people get punshed for things they haven't done. I remember reading somewhere on another forum that a student got suspended because he was "caught on camera stealing someone's cell phone". In actuality, he was just picking up his flash drive off of a table.
4. Freedom of assembly. Want to assemble a group to protest an unfair rule at school? Too bad. If you do protest, you're in trouble.

I find it funny that if you're over the magic age of 18, the above does not apply.

[Oak Tree]

The Constitution applies to laws that govern society not the rules of your school. Just like I can't tell my boss I think my job sucks and expect to keep my job. But I'm weally sowwy school so unfair... waaaaa

[SS Rocks!]

After reading the U.S. Constitution again, I have found a number of freedoms that school seems to deny.
1. Freedom of the press. I'm not sure about the rest of you, but at my school, we're not allowed to add anything "anti-school" to the school newspaper. Nor anything that is deemed "undesirable".
2. Freedom of speech. I've seen people get punished too often for swearing, or saying anything "anti-school".
3. Right to a fair trial. Again, I've seen too many innocent people get punshed for things they haven't done. I remember reading somewhere on another forum that a student got suspended because he was "caught on camera stealing someone's cell phone". In actuality, he was just picking up his flash drive off of a table.
4. Freedom of assembly. Want to assemble a group to protest an unfair rule at school? Too bad. If you do protest, you're in trouble.

I find it funny that if you're over the magic age of 18, the above does not apply.


It's called in loco parentis (Latin for in place of a parent). To keep it simple, the school acts in place of your mommy and daddy. I'd venture to say you don't have all these freedoms at home either.

If you've got a problem, take it to the Supreme Court.

[Chef Dave]

After reading the U.S. Constitution again, I have found a number of freedoms that school seems to deny.

Oh for pity's sake. Did you start this thread because you're still grousing about being given detention by the dean?

Get over it.

For that matter, why don't you go hang out with your own age group at a kiddie forum?

I am told that Legos has a nice chatboard. :)

[SS Rocks!]

Oh for pity's sake. Did you start this thread because you're still grousing about being given detention by the dean?

Get over it.

For that matter, why don't you go hang out with your own age group at a kiddie forum?

I am told that Legos has a nice chatboard. :)

Here ya go BobManPerson :D

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[Boxcar]

The school owns the publication. Therefore, it is the school's decision about what is sent to press. The Times selects its editorials and articles. So does the school.

There is also freedom of listening. Other students shouldn't have to deal with inappropriate and/or foul language. This is not tolerated in the workplace either.

A trial for every student every time they act up? Seriously? There'd be no time left to learn or teach.

No assemblies means that the individuals on the school campus are protected from harm. It also means that thier right to learn without disruption is safeguarded. After all, the school was created to address that right. Even in the outside world, you need a permit to protest. There are laws you have to follow.

[thunderstruck]

I think that there's an argument to be made about the validity of the constitution in school, although certainly the *entire* constitution doesn't apply to it. But still, I think it's better to talk about what's wrong about it and needs to be improved rather than just cite the constitution.

And to the other posters: please stop being condescending toward him. He was trying to make an honest point.

[thunderstruck]

Also, not every teacher can be expected to behave "perfectly", you shouldn't expect that from any person. Sometimes people lose their temper. But generally, yes, it's good to know your rights.

[BobManPerson]

Oh for pity's sake. Did you start this thread because you're still grousing about being given detention by the dean?

Get over it.

For that matter, why don't you go hang out with your own age group at a kiddie forum?

I am told that Legos has a nice chatboard. :)

I'm going to try not to swear in this post.
First of all, no, this isn't because of the detention. The entire thing actually happened last year, and that was the only personal example I could use to help ask why the innocent are punished. Yes, I'm over it. Second, I'm extremely offended by that second comment. "For that matter, why don't you go hang out with your own age group at a kiddie forum". First of all, you're acting like my opinions don't matter compared to your own because you're older than me. Osama Bin Laden's probably older than you. Does that make his opinions more important than yours? I don't think so. Second, I happen to be a freshman in high school. Third, I hate the way you dismiss my comment as being a "kiddie" comment because it's against your beleifs and opinions. It's distgusting. I thought we learned tolerance in school. I guess teachers don't have to tolerate, do they?

[Chef Dave]

"For that matter, why don't you go hang out with your own age group at a kiddie forum". First of all, you're acting like my opinions don't matter compared to your own because you're older than me.

No, I'm saying that your opinion doesn't matter because this is a teachers' forum and you're a kid. I think you should post with your own age group.

It's unfortunate you've taken offense.

Live with it.

[smithmt]

If you've got a problem, take it to the Supreme Court.

Long story short, the Supreme Court (those are the ones that interpret (find the REAL meaning) in the constitution... one of the things that is consistently up held (please reference the MANY court cases I've cited) that the students; liberties are restricted for the good of the whole. now, you ask who figures out what is good for them? that would be where SS Rocks is correct, your parents (and the community at large) make ALL decisions in the school district (at board meetings)

The fact that you are researching this on your own time shows you are definitely an above average student. However, these issues are addressed in detail in the judicial system. As teachers, we get frustrated, because these issues don't pertain to us usually, because the student conduct guidelines set down by your school district are well within the legal precedents handed down to us by the Supreme Court. In addition, we are taught these things during our four years of undergraduate work and most of us are working on or have completed our masters degree so it seems a little impudent for a high schooler to presume that he/she knows more than we do. Again, if are the Artemis Fowl type (who probably wouldn't be waisting his time here) I apologize.

Now, as I love a good Civics lesson as much as the next guy, but you really should be researching this with out the assistance of a theatre teacher... tell you what. find as many court cases as you can (they should be easy to google) and give me a summery of them (no plagiarism... if you can find them on Google, so can I) if nothing else you've probably found a good start to a research paper for history. I would also like you to find the dissenting opinion (the judges that disagreed with the verdict always write an opinion paper) and summarize their opinion. Then tell me your final conclusion of your opinion. what do you think? OH, private message it to me so not to offend anyone else. --savvy?

[TrickyOne]

No, I'm saying that your opinion doesn't matter because this is a teachers' forum and you're a kid. I think you should post with your own age group.

It's unfortunate you've taken offense.

Live with it.

I think that I should run over your cat then feed it to my dog :p

[AWOL]

I was thinking of running over David himself. Also, I think that their should be some form of test that you can take to prove if your mature or something. It would take out the whole ageism thing and I'd be doing what I like a lot more (helping people deal with problems, and philosophy).

[silvana]

Sometimes there just arent enough rocks !

[Boxcar]

Such words of wisdom... :)

[BobManPerson]

EDIT: I'm completely rewriting this post.


No, I'm saying that your opinion doesn't matter because this is a teachers' forum and you're a kid. I think you should post with your own age group.

Are you fucking shitting me? You're saying that just because I'm not as old as you means my opinions shouldn't be taken seriously. "No, I'm saying that your opinion doesn't matter because this is a teachers' forum and you're a kid." That's the most stupid, ignorant, selfish thing I've ever read. It's statements like that that provoke ageism. Just because I'm different doesn't mean my thoughts and opinions don't matter. How would you like it if I disregarded everything you said just because you were older than I am?

[BobManPerson]

It's called in loco parentis (Latin for in place of a parent). To keep it simple, the school acts in place of your mommy and daddy. I'd venture to say you don't have all these freedoms at home either.

If you've got a problem, take it to the Supreme Court.

"Mommy" and "daddy" allow me to have those freedoms. Do you know why? Because they respect and understand that I'm a person too; a person who's protected by the Constitution.

[Bananas]

Oh, my! Can we perhaps take a few deep breaths? This thread is spiraling downward. People have the choices of scrolling on by or the ignore list if interactions with specific posters are not beneficial. The Golden Rule does serve as a great guideline. If someone posted to you as you feel like posting to someone, would you really like it? Just a friendly reminder.

[Oak Tree]

EDIT: I'm completely rewriting this post.



Are you fucking shitting me? You're saying that just because I'm not as old as you means my opinions shouldn't be taken seriously. "No, I'm saying that your opinion doesn't matter because this is a teachers' forum and you're a kid." That's the most stupid, ignorant, selfish thing I've ever read. It's statements like that that provoke ageism. Just because I'm different doesn't mean my thoughts and opinions don't matter. How would you like it if I disregarded everything you said just because you were older than I am?

Oh my! Someone needs another detention (and a spanking!).

[Boxcar]

I agree about the deep breaths. "Oooom... Oooom..." *starts meditating*

[Bananas]

While Boxcar ooooomms, I am unrolling my yoga mat and starting my 20 minute yoga bit on my iPod.

[Boxcar]

Ah... Zen...

[BobManPerson]

Oh my! Someone needs another detention (and a spanking!).

What's wrong? Can't handle the fact that I can type certain words? Or are you one of those insane right-wing censorship activists who are totally against swearing for absolutely no reason whatsoever?

[Bananas]

BobManPerson, I may be Bananas, but I am not insane. :) I can handle the profanity, but it does insert a wedge in the discussion and reduces your credibility for some. Personally, I resort to fudge as my choice of f word, and do not even gain any calories.

[smithmt]

What's wrong? Can't handle the fact that I can type certain words? Or are you one of those insane right-wing censorship activists who are totally against swearing for absolutely no reason whatsoever?

does anyone else find it funny that this child has his right and left wings confused? its we liberals (left-wing) that promote censorship (goes in line with "Big Government" getting into your business) and the "Right-Wings," while yes, promoting limitations on things that they believe morally or ethically wrong, they actually believe that the government should be out of your business when it comes to your rights. Which is why people like Rush Limbaugh are on the air and will say inflammatory things, but is there a liberal doing the same thing... NO, because they censor themselves. So mister de facto liberal, tow the party line and censor yourself. I know that you're probably banned from this site.. but maybe one of your friends can pass the message. This is what a lack of an education will get you; you look foolish.

[Bananas]

Interesting, smithmt. I don't have a good sense of direction, so I didn't really pick up on that. Now that you mention left wing, it does click.

[Boxcar]

Confusing... I'm not into politics though.