Ugh! It's desposition time!

[Spectre]

Tomorrow afternoon I am being required to give a legal deposition. Our school and school district are being sued and the school district wants me to go on record.

What a dilemna! :eek:

I am sure the school system wants me to play the role of dutiful employee, supporting the school. I cannot, in good conscience, do that.

For those who don't know, my school is being sued by a student's parents. the girl was assaulted by the same student who assaulted me and now, my attitude is that the ole chickens are coming home to roost. I fear they are reaping as they have sown. :D

Trouble is, my teaching license is up for renewal in June and I am trying to land another job in this same school system. the system could mess me over if they are so inclined....:confused:

[Chef Dave]

Surely you will not compromise your morals? Do the right thing. Tell the truth. If the truth is unpalatable to the district, that will be truly unfortunate.

In another thread I've given you a list of some of North Carolina's very best public schools. Use this information and start looking for a school that will appreciate you.

http://www.theteacherscorner.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5757

Oh ... I just remembered that you're a middle school teacher. These are all high schools ...

Have you considered moving up a few grade levels?

... And even if you don't want to teach high school, the fact that these districts even HAVE these schools listed might make you want to take a closer look at these school systems.

[ChocolateNewOrleans]

Tomorrow afternoon I am being required to give a legal deposition. Our school and school district are being sued and the school district wants me to go on record.

What a dilemna! :eek:

I am sure the school system wants me to play the role of dutiful employee, supporting the school. I cannot, in good conscience, do that.

For those who don't know, my school is being sued by a student's parents. the girl was assaulted by the same student who assaulted me and now, my attitude is that the ole chickens are coming home to roost. I fear they are reaping as they have sown. :D

Trouble is, my teaching license is up for renewal in June and I am trying to land another job in this same school system. the system could mess me over if they are so inclined....:confused:

do you want another job next year teaching? Morals are fine, right up until your mortgage note comes due.

Unfortunately, you are not in a position to 100% truthful. That doesn't mean lie, by any means, but be careful what you say, because it WILL come back at a later date.

I am curious as to why you would WANT to get re-hired at this school again. No matter whose fault, (the school admin or you) this school is not the right school for you. Have you networked enough that you can transfer to a better school in your district, next year or have you put all your eggs in 1 basket?

[Spectre]

do you want another job next year teaching? Morals are fine, right up until your mortgage note comes due.



You use that line a lot, chocolate.

BTW, the only reason I am even responding to one of your posts is because I am posting from a public library and NOT my home computer. At home, you are on my ignore list.

That's where you will stay, too, for now, because I find your words and your attitude offensive, if not outright ludicrous and totally judgmental.

I have seldom encountered anyone who has such a high opinion of their own opinions and so quick to condemn the words and expressed values of others.

YOU decide what is the moral high ground for you. ;) Please stop trying to dictate it to the rest of us.

[ChocolateNewOrleans]

that's fine, you can preach the high ground all you want, it sounds great on the internet, but reality is, if you don't get a job next year, will you regret telling your bosses how it is?

If you are fine with it, great, stay the course, you'll be in the unemployment line soon enough

[Chef Dave]

I have seldom encountered anyone who has such a high opinion of their own opinions and so quick to condemn the words and expressed values of others.


CNO is on my ignore list as well ... but since you quoted him, I will make the following observation. I find it interesting that CNO would infer that telling the truth might cost you your job.

This is the same person who supposedly threatened to file a union grievance when his building administrator wanted to make him a floater so as to avoid putting additional pressure on a novice teacher.

CNO had no problems telling off the administrator. Of course, he has tenure and seniority and has made it very clear that he's entitled to special perks while new teachers can suffer teaching what he has crudely described as "turds."

He doesn't have a problem with being a stick in the mud when it comes to helping out his school ... but heaven forbid that you tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

I actually feel rather sorry for CNO. It must be rather lonely living in such a sad and twisted world where each person works to his or her best advantage and to heck with everyone else.

http://www.insuremeblog.com/affiliate/blogimages/mr-stink-eye.jpg
"I will NOT teach turds!"
An actual CNO quote ...

[jsfowler]

Spectre, how did it go today?

You should adopt my philosophy...teaching is not the only job out there. I love doing it but if something were to happen, I could easily find something else to do.

I hope you stuck to your morals. Money isn't everything.

[smithmt]

If I remember right, you are not named in the lawsuit. there are laws protecting whistle-blowers. I believe your attempting to manage your classroom and the lack of admin. support would constitute as whistle-blowing. I hope that today you did the right thing and told everything that has happened in your class.

OH, I agree that C.N.O. is a touch hostile. I've said it once and I'll say it again... What do you expect from a coach that is coach first - teacher second?

[smithmt]

This is the same person who supposedly threatened to file a union grievance when his building administrator wanted to make him a floater so as to avoid putting additional pressure on a novice teacher.

CNO had no problems telling off the administrator. Of course, he has tenure and seniority and has made it very clear that he's entitled to special perks while new teachers can suffer teaching what he has crudely described as "turds."


Interesting that the building Admin. wanted to make CHOCOLATE-New Orleans a "Floater." Could CNO have been a turd growing up?

[Chef Dave]

OH, I agree that C.N.O. is a touch hostile. I've said it once and I'll say it again... What do you expect from a coach that is coach first - teacher second?

We have coaches at our high school. They're all paper trained and can behave in polite society. More importantly, they act as appropriate models for their students and for their respective teams. After all - how can you lead if you can't follow? How can you expect good citizenship and good sportsmanship if you yourself behave like a self indulgent pompous ass? How can you expect student athletes to demonstrate teamwork if you yourself are not a team player?

I'm sorry - but being a coach is not an excuse for having poor manners.

[Stuka]

"I will NOT teach turds!"
An actual CNO quote ...

can you blame him? I mean turds are ugly, brown, lumpy, and they don't really do anything. I'd flush 'em!

I also agree with Chef Dave, being a coach is not an excuse for being an ass. once or twice you will find it can be synonomus, but most coaches, in my limited workings with education (you know, when I was a student) they did a good job leading the students.

[Spectre]

Spectre, how did it go today?

You should adopt my philosophy...teaching is not the only job out there. I love doing it but if something were to happen, I could easily find something else to do.

I hope you stuck to your morals. Money isn't everything.

As I told a good friend of mine, I am not sure whether to pity our administration or feel utter and unbridled contempt for them.

Turns out that the deposition I was asked to give was NOT to the school board attorney, but, rather, to the private attorney of one of our assistant administrators, who was apparently more interested in protecting her own flank side than anything else. This administrator has had her little hidden agendas, her private "causes," ones where the staff and faculty has been taken advantage of and manipulated. I recall when I interviewed for my current position, she dozed off twice.

On the advce of a retired FBI friend of mine, I asked the attorney to show me a subpoena that required me to provide a deposition. He did not have one. I politely, but firmly, declined to be deposed. When asked why, I said, again politely,but firmly, that I didn't have to say, that that was a personal choice, one that I was legally entitled to. I think the attorney was a bit surprised, but that was the end of that.

My FBI friend tells me that he might be back next week, this time with a written subpoena in hand.

Fine. :D

But if this AP or anyone else in administration thinks I am going to bail them out of the proverbial sling they have their backsides in, then they are wrong. This goes beyond personal feeling. Failure to do their jobs correctly has put people in peril, students, staff and faculty. While I still like the principal as a person and think he is a decent human being, he has let us ALL down. the best thing for this school, at this point, is the replacement of the entire administrative team, as well as a few of the support people and some of the faculty. This school needs and deserves a new direction. Nothing else will do.

Our New Orleans contingent sees this thing in a very one dimensional way. While that may work for the coach, the course he advocates is not the right way to go. :rolleyes:

I am truly grateful there aren't more with his mindset. :mad:

[Chef Dave]

Turns out that the deposition I was asked to give was NOT to the school board attorney, but, rather, to the private attorney of one of our assistant administrators, who was apparently more interested in protecting her own flank side than anything else. This administrator has had her little hidden agendas, her private "causes," ones where the staff and faculty has been taken advantage of and manipulated ,,,

Well heck ... that puts an entirely different light on things.

I'm with you. Don't help this person cover her butt. If she had been a wonderfully supportive administrator, that would be one thing ... but manipulative cretins don't deserve loyalty if they have no loyalty beyond that of their own agenda.

I despise administrators who behave like this because they set faculty members against each other. They create chaos instead of order, demoralize instead of encourage, and make the faculty divisive instead of building a sense of community and team spirit.

If this woman is burned by the lawsuit, that'll just be tough panookies. As the old proverb goes, "As ye sow, so shall ye reap."

[Boxcar]

Thanks for sharing the information about the subponea. I didn't know that, and it may be useful in the future.

I'm glad you were able to refuse deposition.

[Spectre]

the school system is going to settle things out of court. My FBI friend tells me that is "smart," but I wonder.

Anyhow, not my problem.

The only trouble that has come of this is that I am getting the frigid treatment from this assistant principal. I didn't want to play along and she does not like it.

Sad, but I won't lose any sleep over it. :rolleyes:

[Chef Dave]

The only trouble that has come of this is that I am getting the frigid treatment from this assistant principal. I didn't want to play along and she does not like it.



People like this will always look for someone else to blame. Pay no mind. You're leaving - so just leave it at that.